New Pontiac G8 priced at

[jamtoy]

$29995:eek: Can you say bargain.

"General Motors will price the new Pontiac G8 sedan starting at $27,595 when it arrives in dealerships early next year. Prices for the V-8-powered G8 GT will start at $29,995, GM says.

The G8 will have a base 256-hp, 3.6-liter variable valve-timed V-6 engine and five-speed automatic transmission. It will have driver shift control and sport mode availability. Standard features will include StabiliTrak electronic stability control, six airbags and OnStar.

The G8 GT will have a 6.0-liter V-8 mated to a six-speed automatic transmission. Other standard equipment will include limited slip differential and a premium 230-watt Blaupunkt 11-speaker sound system, according to a memo Pontiac sent to dealers this morning."



In the memo, Jim Bunnell, Buick-Pontiac-GMC general manager, calls the GT version “the most powerful vehicle available for under $30,000.”

[Moody]

Perhaps I skimmed too quickly, but is this thing RWD or what? I hope so.

[tooslow]

Perhaps I skimmed too quickly, but is this thing RWD or what? I hope so.

What?! I am kicking you in the balls next time I see you. I've been saying for a while that I will have a G8 GXP in my garage. What a family hauler this thing will be!! :)

One cool thing is that the 362hp the G8 GT achieves is done with regular fuel. One less cool thing is the nearly 4000lb weight, but it is a family hauler after all. :D

[1fastfamilyman]

What?! I am kicking you in the balls next time I see you. I've been saying for a while that I will have a G8 GXP in my garage. What a family hauler this thing will be!! :)

One cool thing is that the 362hp the G8 GT achieves is done with regular fuel. One less cool thing is the nearly 4000lb weight, but it is a family hauler after all. :D


The GT will come standard with the 6-spd auto, and then a few months after the initial release, you will be able to get the 6-spd manual version.

Ted's right, in that the 362 hp was achieved on 87 octane, and the accompanying 87 octane tune. This is a 10.5:1 motor running on 87, so just imagine the possibilities of a 93 octane tune alone!!! Couple that with a basic CAI and catback, and the GT's will be making 350+ rwhp! :eek: Then there's the GXP version to come out a little later with the 430hp LS3. :D

I'm strongly considering selling my TBSS for a 6-spd GXP when they're available. :cool:

[Sean]

http://www.tennesspeed.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39136&highlight=Pontiac

[BenS]

What?! I am kicking you in the balls next time I see you. I've been saying for a while that I will have a G8 GXP in my garage. What a family hauler this thing will be!! :)

One cool thing is that the 362hp the G8 GT achieves is done with regular fuel. One less cool thing is the nearly 4000lb weight, but it is a family hauler after all. :D

The new CTS has a 300hp version of that 3.6 V6 and it runs on regular too. GM has been doing its homework.

[GT_Rat]

The new CTS has a 300hp version of that 3.6 V6 and it runs on regular too. GM has been doing its homework.
Finally...

[tooslow]

Then there's the GXP version to come out a little later with the 430hp LS3. :D



I think they will definitely go with the LS3, but no agreement has been made with the supplier yet. The other engine under consideration, although it has only a few supporters within GM, is the LSA. :drool: The LSA would make sense if they are serious about going after the M5 in all aspects. The reason I think they will stay away from the LSA is they will piss of the CTS-V owners.

[jamtoy]

Perhaps I skimmed too quickly, but is this thing RWD or what? I hope so.

First the police video and now this. Your tennesspeed forum proficiency is in question and subjects you to additional ridicule and teasing. :nana:

[Moody]

First the police video and now this. Your tennesspeed forum proficiency is in question and subjects you to additional ridicule and teasing. :nana:

Are you ****ing serious? I don't keep up with ANYthing Pontiac in the first place, much less some bloated 4,000lb sedan. Judging based on PREVIOUS Pontiacs (besides ONE!), I'd expect it to suck. Hopefully it won't (be FWD from what I was worrying about). FWD FTL! PONTIAC FROM THE 80's/90's FTL! JAMTOY ASPIRING TO OWN ON FTL! FTL FTL FTL!!! :lol:

[tooslow]

Are you ****ing serious? I don't keep up with ANYthing Pontiac in the first place, much less some bloated 4,000lb sedan. Judging based on PREVIOUS Pontiacs (besides ONE!), I'd expect it to suck. Hopefully it won't (be FWD from what I was worrying about). FWD FTL! PONTIAC FROM THE 80's/90's FTL! JAMTOY ASPIRING TO OWN ON FTL! FTL FTL FTL!!! :lol:

By your rationale, you wouldn't date a supermodel because she shares the name of many girls that you would not date in the past, correct?

What am I talking about! This car is NOT for you Chris. It's going to be a nice RWDfamily hauler. Would you rather have a new M3 or M5 right now? Just pretend they cost the same. :lol:

The G8 is not some revolutionary car, far from it. It will scream, "not a pontiac", as far as fit and finish are concerned. Then again, it's not really made in a Pontiac plant.

[SleeperGT]

$30,000....for a Pontiac? There is no doubt that that is a good looking car...I just can not justify the prices for the lacklusterness of car nowadays. I might be interested in a used one...but not new...

[Sean]

I saw a Dark blue G6 GXP "Street edition" today. i gotta admit, I liked it. :blush: I really like the "Hammerhead"spoiler on it.

This but in dark blue.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/mzdung/Car/wallpaper_01.jpg

[JAMESZ]

Are you ****ing serious? I don't keep up with ANYthing Pontiac in the first place, much less some bloated 4,000lb sedan. Judging based on PREVIOUS Pontiacs (besides ONE!), I'd expect it to suck. Hopefully it won't (be FWD from what I was worrying about). FWD FTL! PONTIAC FROM THE 80's/90's FTL! JAMTOY ASPIRING TO OWN ON FTL! FTL FTL FTL!!! :lol:Good thing it isn't really a Pontiac... Holden FTW... again.

[BenS]

$30,000....for a Pontiac? There is no doubt that that is a good looking car...I just can not justify the prices for the lacklusterness of car nowadays. I might be interested in a used one...but not new...

Just wait until late summer and pick one up with a butt load of incentives. I think this car is awesome, but I'm not so sure Pontiac's usual customers will immediately go out and buy one, much like the GTO.

[theallpowerful]

go buy an 06 GTO with less than 10k miles for $20k instead

[JohnC]

GM has been doing its homework.

Agree! :)

They are really starting to get my attention with the LSx engines. :yum:

[KDPate]

Agree! :)

They are really starting to get my attention with the LSx engines. :yum:

x2. LSx engines will be GM's new workhorse for the next 20 yrs or so.....

[1fastfamilyman]

go buy an 06 GTO with less than 10k miles for $20k instead



:lol: show me one!!

[JAMESZ]

go buy an 06 GTO with less than 10k miles for $20k insteadMaybe a low mileage 04 or high mileage 05. 26-28k is the standard for one right now on the used market. There are deals out there, but less than 24k is basically impossible.

[Moody]

By your rationale, you wouldn't date a supermodel because she shares the name of many girls that you would not date in the past, correct?

What am I talking about! This car is NOT for you Chris. It's going to be a nice RWDfamily hauler. Would you rather have a new M3 or M5 right now? Just pretend they cost the same. :lol:

The G8 is not some revolutionary car, far from it. It will scream, "not a pontiac", as far as fit and finish are concerned. Then again, it's not really made in a Pontiac plant.

New M5! I just don't get that excited about something that's heavy, even if it's got a nice new-gen V8 in it.

[Moody]

I saw a Dark blue G6 GXP "Street edition" today. i gotta admit, I liked it. :blush: I really like the "Hammerhead"spoiler on it.

This but in dark blue.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e201/mzdung/Car/wallpaper_01.jpg

Man, that thing is *racy*, but it's also stright up *ricey*... I just don't get it... maybe I'm too conventional on what I think that a pseudo-sportscar should look like.

/hater

[Sean]

Man, that thing is *racy*, but it's also stright up *ricey*... I just don't get it... maybe I'm too conventional on what I think that a pseudo-sportscar should look like.

/hater

A man with a 30' wing on his car and his rims match his cars paint can not call that thing "ricey" gtfo :D

[tooslow]

I just don't get that excited about something that's heavy, even if it's got a nice new-gen V8 in it.

Didn't I already figure this one out?

This car is NOT for you Chris. It's going to be a nice RWD family hauler.

If I didn't want a 4 door, family/friend hauler, I would not be interested in the G8 either. It's way more pseudo-luxo than pseudo-sportscar. It will have 100 more hp than the mid-90s Impala SS, while weighing more than 200lbs less. I had one of those as well, and loved it! :)

[jamtoy]

Maybe a low mileage 04 or high mileage 05. 26-28k is the standard for one right now on the used market. There are deals out there, but less than 24k is basically impossible.

Uh, no. 05-06's are going for low 20's and auctioning in the 17-19 range. There was an 06 for 23 on local autotrader.

[DCBigpimpin]

Man, so many options.

The new Camaro with the LS3
This with the LS3

Or just get a little wet with credit and see if I can get the Z06 on the GMS pricing.

If u get a Z06, can I just ride shotgun? :D

[JAMESZ]

Uh, no. 05-06's are going for low 20's and auctioning in the 17-19 range. There was an 06 for 23 on local autotrader.So you have been in the market recently? For a good condition 06 with desirable miles expect to pay 26k+. 24k is a good deal if you can get it. The 04s are selling between 18 and 19k for a low mileage example and the 05s are going for low 20s. You can't group 05s and 06s there is a year depreciation in the 05s on top the 06. You could get an auto 17s 06 for 23k... but to get a more desirable GTO (6spd 18s) expect to pay north of 25k at minimum. Although some deals are available.

As for the G8 remember it is a Holden Commodore, there is a reason it doesn't look like any other Pontiac... because thank God it isn't one.

[tooslow]

Ted, you're my homie, but lay off the crack rock. I got Moody's back on this. That car is neither luxury nor sporty. Its an ugly, overweight cow with a giant grill.

A nineties DONK SS passed for performance back then, but its slower than a freaking Cobalt SS now almost fifteen years later. :)

It's not fast, but it'll bitch slap the 335i, and will have room for the adults in back to yell out the window, "PROcede what?!" :lol:

By your rationale, you will say the same thing about the G8 in 12 years as you are currently saying about the Impala SS. "A 2008 G8 passed for perfomance back then, but's slower than a [insert future economy/12sec model here] now almost 15 years later." I'm still not looking at this car as some uber performance car, like most of you are making it out to be. Read my other posts, ya slacker.

[Sean]

Maybe if you loosen the lug nuts on all four of my wheels you'll bish slap it.
BEEE WHYYY JAYYYY! I'm not afraid of that big turd. Bring lotsa nitrous. ;)

I think we need to see this. Ted, get on that.

[tooslow]

Maybe if you loosen the lug nuts on all four of my wheels you'll bish slap it.
BEEE WHYYY JAYYYY! I'm not afraid of that big turd. Bring lotsa nitrous. ;)

It is on sucka!!! I don't want to hear any excuses either as to why you can't run, like, "Wife will not let me out", "My car is acting up cause it's 80F or hotter out", "Sorry, lease was up last week", etc....

With all of this said, I may be eating crow when I see the car. If most of what I've recently read about it doesn't make it to the production car, then pass me the jug of Hator-Aide. Until then, I look forward to the G8 GXP vs 335i showdown. :evil:

[tooslow]

Bring lotsa nitrous.

Anything else you'd like me to bring for you that you can't ft in your car? :D

[Sean]

Dyno sheets dont mean **** on the street!

[PhoenixINX]

Dyno sheets dont mean **** on the street!

See your own signature... [/thread] :eek: :lol:

[Sean]

See your own signature... [/thread] :eek: :lol:

:lol: +1 for me and you.

eh crap, it wont let me.

[GT_Rat]

Fixed.
That whale makes my whale look like 450 pound lighter guppy. Dynos might not mean everything, but you can't argue with a 100 wheel torque jump from tuning. That won't happen on an NA V8.
I think he can take the $10,000 that he saved buying a Pontiac and make up for that 450lbs pretty easily.

[GT_Rat]

Wait, one minute we're arguing weight and it's effect on performance and now we're arguing fit and finish which has no effect on performance? Don't get me wrong Seth, I understand exactly what you are buying with that extra $10 grand but if you are going to argue superior performance and modability then the money comes into the picture. You are comparing a $30,000 car to a $40,000 car. Different market segments completely regardless of who Pontiac may think they are competing with. Stock for stock the G8 will match or beat the 335i in a straight line. Turn a corner and the BMW will smoke the G8. Start talking about throwing a few grand in mods on either car and the ballgame changes. How much power do you think the G8 will get out of a cam? Intake? Exhaust? Heads? Yeah, you can buy a cheap car and make it fast but we aren't talking about any cheap car here, we're talking about a 335i and a G8. Stop trying to deflect the arguement with lame outside comparisons.

[Sean]

Stop trying to deflect the arguement with lame outside comparisons.

Thankyou.

[GarageLogic]

Uh, no. 05-06's are going for low 20's and auctioning in the 17-19 range. There was an 06 for 23 on local autotrader.I'll sell my '06 M6 w/18's GTO today to the first person who can bring me $23,500.

[jamtoy]

Pontiac. Supermodel. Oxmoron.

No, I wouldn't date a Pontiac model because she would be a super fat girl they kidnapped from overseas, then brought her here, only to change her name, then cut her face and butt off to replace them with a hideous grill and tail.

DEFINITELY sounds like your kinda girl though, Steve. :)
Not really. Now if your talking a model from south east asia that has headlight endowments a nice stance and sqauts well when launching then that would be more my style.
It's not fast, but it'll bitch slap the 335i, and will have room for the adults in back to yell out the window, "PROcede what?!" :lol:


:lol:

Seth do you get to transfer your nutswinging credits from Mitsubishi over to BMW or do they make you start from scratch?:D

[GT_Rat]

I don't know where you get that a 430HP LS3 is less powerful than the LS2 that they put in the GTO. You know that is what they will put in the G8. What will be interesting is if they drop an LS7 in an Uber version G8.

[GT_Rat]

Also, since you say we can't talk about overall prices in the performance equation, how about we just go with mod money. You have a $1300 tuning setup on your 335 (first price I ran across on a search), how about I get a cam and intake for that LS3?

[Moody]

DYNO POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSTING!!!! Here's mine!

http://www.datsuns.com/Tech/engines/L18_efi__dyno-1.gif

Single TurBRO Mods:

http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno/12134-1997-Toyota-Supra-Dyno.jpg

G8 GTO PONTIAC CRAP WTF THAT, Fellas! :lol:

Bolt-on turbo modz FTW. U don't evN n0!

[Jason]

Fixed.
but you can't argue with a 100 wheel torque jump from tuning. That won't happen on an NA V8.

Because NA V8's already have torque.

[GT_Rat]

Call it vapor ware all you want but you know as well as I do that the GXP will hit the lineup and it will have an LS3 or better. Argue about depreciation all you like but we're all performance car people here. With only a few exceptions nobody here is buying a car to make money. They are buying them to go fast either in a straight line or around corners. Depreciation is a moot point to you anyway because you leased the car. Honestly Seth, there are times when you sound no better than your average redneck "domestic or die" import hater.

[turbolover02]

Honestly Seth, there are times when you sound no better than your average redneck "domestic or die" import hater.


:lol:

Quoted

[KDPate]

:shake:


My philosophy: buy whichever one is cheaper to frickin fix YOURSELF.....sheesh:rolleyes:

[GarageLogic]

And there are times where your arguing makes no sense at all. :) When you said $10000 more, were you talking about the GT or the GXP? Obviously the GT, because that's its price range. Right? :confused:

I like Vettes, Sky Redlines, Solstice GXP, the unobtanium Ford GT, etc because they don't suck. I'm not a domestic hater.

"It doesn't matter if its a domestic or not. If its a crappy car, its a crappy car" [/Moody]

Sorry, the G8 GT is what I'd call a crappy car. :shrug: Its just one opinion.I'm not sure how anyone can make that call without having actually driven one. I will tell you if the fit and finish of ths Holden product is anywhere near that of my GTO, it will more than hold its own with that of a BMW or similar luxury sedan. Granted, you get more bells and whistles with a Benz. BMW, etc. but to me that's not a big deal. I also have over 25K on the GTO without even the slightest hic-up mechanically or structurally. While a BMW might command a higher re-sale value, they are also notorious for their repeated trips into service center. And those visits never come cheap. Of course, you rent, so that's not an issue.

I'm just of the opinion that before you call a car crappy, you probably need to go on more than just the press release info and speculation.

[Moody]

Call it vapor ware all you want but you know as well as I do that the GXP will hit the lineup and it will have an LS3 or better. Argue about depreciation all you like but we're all performance car people here. With only a few exceptions nobody here is buying a car to make money. They are buying them to go fast either in a straight line or around corners. Depreciation is a moot point to you anyway because you leased the car. Honestly Seth, there are times when you sound no better than your average redneck "domestic or die" import hater.

I think, Alex, it's not rather a point of who bought what, or leased it, or anything of the sort as far as depreciation when it comes to this particular argument, but rather that when people DO buy a car, they automatically think to themselves, "Is this sound financially? Can I get out of this if something bad happens? What will it be worth?" If someone's not thinking that, then they either have alot of money and don't care, or alot of nonsense floating around in their heads. Seth's leased car doesn't matter here, but moreso what does matter is that he had a choice, and chose the Turbo Bimmer over anything else because of what he saw as a complete package - the same way that you and Ted would choose the G8 as a "complete package" car.

I, for one, am on the complete end of the spectrum (no wife, no kids), where as you all have a family, I do not. Though I don't, that doesn't affect my judgement on what I'd pick, and it's moreso because I tend to look at some points that I deem as important:

Will I be able to sell this thing, and for how much?
Will anyone want it?
Will I enjoy it now, and in the future, and if not (see points 1 and 2)
How moddable is it? Is it fun stock? If not, how much to make it more fun?
Do I have a goal for this car? What is it?

These are some things that people that are of our mindset (automotive enthusiasts) may ask, and the discerning ones will scrutinize even the most minute details of the application - the car itself - until they run it into the ground. I do not like Pontiacs, because it's not about a *Brand* thing, it's about what I've come to expect. I do love the GTO's, and their interior is at the TOP of the spectrum when it comes to other Pontiacs - GM has really done a number on the interior of these cars in the fact that I've actually been impressed, and commented on my best friend's 2007 Yukon's interior - it's awesome, and is pretty-quality. Does it rattle - not yet, but I can see areas that are going to be problematic in construction that will cause it to do so in the future. Is it a nice truck - yes! Would I have one - yes, but only after having a highline Toyota SUV or Nissan SUV, both with V8's (Infiniti or Lexus as well). Will I pay more for one of those - yes. Will they hold their resale better - hell yes, and most likely still maintain their overall quality better than the GM product. Do you get more bang for the buck with GM - of course you do. It's the same principal here, but with this BMW vs. Pontiac thing.

Other points - I hate to say it, but after driving Seth's BMW on Sunday, that car, vs. a M6 GTO, in a 6th gear race, floored, would beat it. I've driven both, and made it a point to do a passing test/acceleration in top gear test. Hate to say it, but the BMW will give smoother, more linear power - thus inherent in a turbo car. I cannot compare his BMW to this G8 thing, for obvious reasons, but I will tell you that a 300HP car with good gearing (BMW) will be just as quick as even a 400HP car with some automatic that weighs 700lbs more. I just find if funny that people assume a 3L, or a 2L can't have decent torque, and have them respond well. Seth's BMW does this perfectly, same as a near-stock or stock EVO does. I'm not making this some import vs. domestic junk-argument, but until someone's had the chance to really examine a comparable matchup, like this 400hp vs. 300hp, 4000lbs vs. 3400lbs, American vs Import is really just a vacuous argument, even though I tried to compare certain points above...

Quick summary, for those that don't want to read:

GM's quality has gone up, but isn't near what a Lexus/Infiniti/BMW/etc... is
GM makes a bang for the buck car, hence this G8 ordeal
The 335 Turbo car will ass-whip a heavy, G8-inspired auto sedan, and most likely the 6M version as well
Heavy American cars aren't cool, unless they're the New Challenger
You all want some V8 Sedan, or are super-excited about a 4000lb, automatic, 400hp (supposedly) Pontiac - get your nuts out of the mason jar and reattach, then run, DON'T WALK! RUN! to the nearest dealership and drive something that does what you want, that's NOT either: a rebadged, overweight Pontiac, or some 4-door wannabe knockoff price-partial sedan that won't do anything but depreciate and/or go the way of the 300C SRT8...

Thanks for tuning in. I'm done! :eek: :lol:

[KDPate]

I'd rather beat teh **** our of the G8 than the BMWobbly. Plus only :ghey: folks drive them....:duck:

[Moody]

I'd rather beat teh **** our of the G8 than the BMWobbly. Plus only :ghey: folks drive them....:duck:

You shuts up! Wait for the T0RKZ!!!

[KDPate]

You shuts up! Wait for the T0RKZ!!!

:biteme::D

[jamtoy]

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I'm in!:D

[Moody]

Wham Bam! :D

[KDPate]

hell yeah!!!!:woot:

[turbolover02]

Wham Bam! :D

:lol:

[BenS]

And there are times where your arguing makes no sense at all. :) When you said $10000 more, were you talking about the GT or the GXP? Obviously the GT, because that's its price range. Right? :confused:



Wait 6 months and take advantage of GM's price cuts and low APR rates and the equation changes quite a bit.

ps: your straw man method of arguing isn't fooling anyone.

[JAMESZ]

20k-30k mile 2006 GTOs are on Autotrader closeby for $23,000-$24,000. That's dealers. I'm sure there are better deals out there.I'm looking at less than 10k miles... 20-30k is a bit on the high side for miles.

[Moody]

Wait 6 months and take advantage of GM's price cuts and low APR rates and the equation changes quite a bit.

...like $5500 off on a new one of those - if they're in a manual, I'd consider giving it the rental car treatment! :D

[KDPate]

...like $5500 off on a new one of those - if they're in a manual, I'd consider giving it the rental car treatment! :D

:werd:

[GT_Rat]

Point taken.
But you should know that I like the new (Holden) GTOs a ton, and I think this is well documented on here. Its whole lot more of a car guy car than than the launch G8 GTs will be. It has more power, it weighs less, and its heaps sexier. Plus you can get one for a smoking deal!

I wish I could've gotten a 335i coupe, but ease of entrance to the back for my 1 year old just makes so much more sense in a four door. :(

I know automatics rule for drag racing, and even all the fastest 335i guys are in autos, but I'd never have one. That's the biggest turn off to me for the G8. I'm sure the GXP will be a lot faster, and a ton better.

I also agree that I would never want to wrench this car. They have 4 year 50k maintenance on all of them, so its a short term deal for me. If these PROcede v2s will finally come out so I can make some sideshow cash on them, it'll be a lot better.







Alex- I know I'm abrasive about cars, but its not personal. I promise. Its just internet car smack talk. I know I'm one only rung above total idiot. I love cars and really enjoy talking about them on here. I like smack talk about performance cars and have been beaten on track lots more than I have won. But I enjoy the journey- I learn more everyday. If I had a dollar for every Mustang that has smoked me at the track over the years, I'd buy a round of beers for everyone in this thread and have tip money left over.

Oh, I don't take anything personally. It's the internet. And when it comes down to it it's a matter of personal taste anyway. Now, to take my lumps, I mis-read the IP as the GXP being $30k, but then I also based my 335i price on the base MSRP. (i.e. no bells and whistles at all) As broadly used as the LS3 will be though I don't see it adding more than $5000 more than the GT. The nice thing about GM using them in everything means that it's cheap to use in EVERYTHING. I'm half surprised that GM hasn't shoehorned the front drive LS1 from the Impala SS into a Cobalt. They could probably still sell an LS1 Cobalt for less than 30k.

I think, Alex, it's not rather a point of who bought what, or leased it, or anything of the sort as far as depreciation when it comes to this particular argument, but rather that when people DO buy a car, they automatically think to themselves, "Is this sound financially? Can I get out of this if something bad happens? What will it be worth?" If someone's not thinking that, then they either have alot of money and don't care, or alot of nonsense floating around in their heads. Seth's leased car doesn't matter here, but moreso what does matter is that he had a choice, and chose the Turbo Bimmer over anything else because of what he saw as a complete package - the same way that you and Ted would choose the G8 as a "complete package" car.



Which is my point as well. Seth got what he liked and nobody is bashing him for it. Honestly, had I $45k laying around I'd pick up the 335 as well. Much like Seth I like a refined package and excellent fit and finish. I'm not going to bash the G8 because I see it for what it is. A low cost alternative to the 335 or in GXP form even a low cost alternative to the M3 or a 5 series. Yeah, it may not be as pretty on the inside (or the outside to some) but it will match or possibly even beat the performance of the higher end car for a lot less money. And when Joe car buyer is doing that math in his head and the 5 series seems like it's going to be a stretch and the 3 series doesn't have enough elbow room, the G8 starts looking good.

[Moody]

And...

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All is calm now. /Fin.

[turbolover02]

And...

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All is calm now. /Fin.
Stealing Chandler's line...You running out of material moody?

[Moody]

Stealing Chandler's line...You running out of material moody?

Nope. /Fin is mine. It's ****ing 12:20, and I've been up for 20 hours! Are you kidding me - I never run out of material, including those spank pictures that I mailed to ya!

[jamtoy]

Nope. /Fin is mine. It's ****ing 12:20, and I've been up for 20 hours! Are you kidding me - I never run out of material, including those spank pictures that I mailed to ya!


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It's 3:07 am and I am not wearing pants.

[KDPate]

:eyebrow:
It's 3:07 am and I am not wearing pants.

:stare::tmi:

It's 5:28 a.m. and I want a damn beer RIGHT ****ING NOW!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Sean]

You guys have gotten Seths' panties in a wad, hes neg rep me! All cause he wantsto argue wit the internets!!!!

[turbolover02]

You guys have gotten Seths' panties in a wad, hes neg rep me! All cause he wantsto argue wit the internets!!!!

I am feeling teh neg reps too with my sig...:noize: