Thinking of selling the blower.

[5liter]

What to do. Love the power, but it is constantly draining me. More money, time, issues, blah! What to do?

[Cannon Fodder]

:blink: Me no understand. Didn't the car run correctly when you got it? What keeps breaking?

[5liter]

It ran ok but had drivability issues. I has crankcase pressure issues which I spent over $100 to solve and I still have them. Just put headgaskets on it which ended up being over 1k just replacing things that needed done while it was apart. I have over $400 in Vortech fuel rails and Aeromotive AFPR (along with all the fittings), $400 set of injectors, a $300 SCT MAF, a $350 procharger pro-pump, a $40 pigtail to make the MAF work, and a $300 chip just to make it run right. Problem is I need another $400 for the tune. I need a mini race bypass valve, but I would have to come up with a custom way to mount it due to the powercooler. Oh yeah the power cooler has to come off to check plugs, tighten header bolts, etc. Just not sure it is really worth it to me.:mad:

I know firsthand you have to pay to play, but where do you draw the line.:(

[5liter]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e299/5liter/DSC01304.jpg

This does not include the smog pump elim ($80) which did not fit, the $90 Pulley, and $40 belt. :(

[qwkpuhkr]

Want my opinion from my years and years of going through the same old **** you are going through now?

Ditch the blower. Build your NA motor, but do a 331 instead of a 347 so that you can spin it up more. NA motors need serious RPM to make any kind of power. That or run a destroked 351W set up.

Or my other option would be to ditch the blower and switch it over to a T-4 frame turbo, either a 64 or 76mm. You have already got a pretty good base for a turbo set up. The crankcase pressure its blow by or course, so wither need to freshen the motor or put a good vaccuum pump on it.

Just some thoughts.

Mark

[JohnC]

I say do the 331 like Qwk suggested. :)

[5liter]

Yeah leaning that way. I also just got a very tempting offer on the whole deal. May start over again (N/A this time).:)

[Disney Lincoln]

You keep saying "need" in your post about all the money you've spent. I wouldn't say that. you WANTED all these thing in your quest for more power. If drivability was the only issue you could have jkust got a new tune and been done with it. You wanted those big rails, big meter, big injectors.

I think I would have fixed all my problems with a $550 TwEECer and some patience.

[Slovette]

Ditch the blower. Build your NA motor, but do a 331 instead of a 347 so that you can spin it up more. NA motors need serious RPM to make any kind of power. That or run a destroked 351W set up.



Mark;);)well said

[Casey]

You have so much money in already. Would it be worth it to sell everything at a loss and start fresh?

[COSWORTH]

I agree with diz. The best way to spend a lot of money on a car is to throw parts to it to try to fix a problem that you cant figure out. And im speaking from experience too, dont take it as a personal zing.

[5liter]

You keep saying "need" in your post about all the money you've spent. I wouldn't say that. you WANTED all these thing in your quest for more power. If drivability was the only issue you could have jkust got a new tune and been done with it. You wanted those big rails, big meter, big injectors.

I think I would have fixed all my problems with a $550 TwEECer and some patience.

The fuel system was not up to the task. I never do anything half-ass so I bought the good ****. Basically if I can't do it right I don't want to do it. I really know nothing about using the twEECer or PMS or anything else which is why I went the SCT route. Basically I could have turned the boost way down and done nothing, but who the hell wants a slow blower car.:(

[Disney Lincoln]

Why was it not up to the task? The stock fuel lines and rails can support enough fuel needs to break the block. I don't think you're anywhere near the 600hp mark right now. You wanted those parts. You damn sure didn't NEED them.

And by going with the TwEECer or PMS you will have to learn do use those tools. Imagine the savings over going to a tuner everytime you change something!

[5liter]

Why was it not up to the task? The stock fuel lines and rails can support enough fuel needs to break the block. I don't think you're anywhere near the 600hp mark right now. You wanted those parts. You damn sure didn't NEED them.

And by going with the TwEECer or PMS you will have to learn do use those tools. Imagine the savings over going to a tuner everytime you change something!

I bought those parts per Joe @ Dynospeed. They would not touch the car with the existing fuel system. Did I need the fuel rails? No. I got a good deal on them. I also wanted room to grow when I put the stroker and better top end on the car.:)

BTW with the new motor, CNCed twisted Wedge heads, Anderson Blower cam, and TFS R intake it would be over 600 RWHP.

[Hellion'01]

If you would like to learn to do your own tuning, you could get the Pro Racer Package software from SCT and still use your chip. I got tired of paying several hundred dollars every time I wanted to change my setup a little. So, thats what I did.

[Cannon Fodder]

Well let me ask this, wouldn't you buy alot of this stuff for a N/A combo anyway? So now your short the bypass and a tune.

If you go with a N/A combo you start all over again.

$1700 block
$1200 heads
$1200 rotating assembly
$1000 machine work (at least)
$5200 and then all the stuff to support it, which you already have most of it, and then a tune or add a Tweecer, PMS, MegaSquirt, etc.

Or keep the blower and drive it as is (was) and buy the other slowly and put the blower on it when you get done and have twice as much fun, since you will probably head that way anyway.

[5liter]

Well let me ask this, wouldn't you buy alot of this stuff for a N/A combo anyway? So now your short the bypass and a tune.

If you go with a N/A combo you start all over again.

$1700 block
$1200 heads
$1200 rotating assembly
$1000 machine work (at least)
$5200 and then all the stuff to support it, which you already have most of it, and then a tune or add a Tweecer, PMS, MegaSquirt, etc.

Or keep the blower and drive it as is (was) and buy the other slowly and put the blower on it when you get done and have twice as much fun, since you will probably head that way anyway.


True. The blower set-up would cover about $3500 of that (based on a low ball price point). Then I would have the heads, intake, cam, blower meter, injectors, and all the other blower related parts I have to sell. It would be close to a wash with a few less headaches.:)

[Disney Lincoln]

BTW with the new motor, CNCed twisted Wedge heads, Anderson Blower cam, and TFS R intake it would break the block.

Ok. You're right. I'm wrong. You're the Mustang HP guru. You keep on keepin on with your huge rails GT40 heads, and big dollar tuner.

I'm out.

[onebad7up]

I bought those parts per Joe @ Dynospeed. They would not touch the car with the existing fuel system. Did I need the fuel rails? No. I got a good deal on them. I also wanted room to grow when I put the stroker and better top end on the car.:)

BTW with the new motor, CNCed twisted Wedge heads, Anderson Blower cam, and TFS R intake it would be over 600 RWHP.

Last time I checked Vortech rails were 175 and an Aeromotive AFPR was 175.

Thats a total of $350 (retail). I doubt spending $50 above retail pursuaded you into upgrading.

[Cannon Fodder]

True. The blower set-up would cover about $3500 of that (based on a low ball price point). Then I would have the heads, intake, cam, blower meter, injectors, and all the other blower related parts I have to sell. It would be close to a wash with a few less headaches.:)


Ok if you say so.

[5liter]

Ok. You're right. I'm wrong. You're the Mustang HP guru. You keep on keepin on with your huge rails GT40 heads, and big dollar tuner.

I'm out.


I am not a newb Disney. I know you are the tuning God and all, but if you could read my post you would understand that the GT-40 induction is going away. Since you have had so many Vortech cars I should just take your word. :rolleyes:

onebad7up: http://vortechsuperchargers.com/product_variation.php?pvk=224

As I stated before I got a deal on all the stuff. I bought this stuff for my next motor you would know that if you read my post.

As far as I am concerned qwikphuker is the only one that could be considered an expert from personal experience. Sorry to sound pissy, but I am not new to this whole Mustang thing.

[Disney Lincoln]

Good. Then go away with your questions and we'll contact you when we need some expert advice.

[onebad7up]

http://www.strippermotorsports.com/vofuraalblan.html

A quick google search can save wonders. Just think what could happen if you found ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vortech-1-2-ID-High-Flow-Renegade-V8-Fuel-Rails_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33553QQihZ015QQit emZ250174969426QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[5liter]

Good. Then go away with your questions and we'll contact you when we need some expert advice.

This was not a technical question thread. Reading comprehension ownz you. Now had I titled this thread " Disney bring your opinoinated ass in here and tell me what to do" you might have a leg to stand on.:D

[5liter]

http://www.strippermotorsports.com/vofuraalblan.html

A quick google search can save wonders. Just think what could happen if you found ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vortech-1-2-ID-High-Flow-Renegade-V8-Fuel-Rails_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33553QQihZ015QQit emZ250174969426QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Congrats! Now since I didnt pay retail your post sucks.:D

[SWIFT]

Money wise it would be better to fix what you have. If you choose a all motor setup I would go with a 351 based motor.

[onebad7up]

Then quit crying about "how much money you have in your car". It is not our fault your parents didnt teach you how to shop around.

btw...I have some 80# injectors to go with those rails if you need them

:D

[5liter]

Money wise it would be better to fix what you have. If you choose a all motor setup I would go with a 351 based motor.

I was really thinking of doing somthing like you have. I think I might want to simplify things.:)

onebad7up: I refuse to spend any more money. BTW how much for the injectors?:lol:

[floyd4ford]

Money wise it would be better to fix what you have. If you choose a all motor setup I would go with a 351 based motor.


PERFECT!

[KDPate]

Money wise it would be better to fix what you have. If you choose a all motor setup I would go with a 351 based motor.

x2. Just buy the 351 swap kit and you'll have a larger engine for less than what the stroker costs...

[MeanMike]

I think you should follow through with this setup and fix all these problems. You could go to an NA motor and still have problems, that's the nature of a hot rod. You just have to follow through and fix all the little stuff. If you wanted a reliable fast car, you should have bought a new Shelby or vette for +$50K.